1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,760 The following program presents theories about an historical event that is shrouded in mystery. 2 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,400 It contains archival footage, reenactments and dramatizations, which invite you, the 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,200 viewer, to draw your own conclusions. 4 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:35,200 To the uninformed, this dark terrain, 100 miles north of Las Vegas, may look like any other patch of desert. 5 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:47,200 But its rugged valleys conceal a military facility so secret, it is off limits to all but those with the highest security clearance. 6 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Known as Area 51, this is one of the most mysterious places on the face of the earth. 7 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,200 What they have out in the desert would make George Lucas envious. 8 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,200 We have things out there that are literally out of this world. 9 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:13,200 For decades, there has been a coordinated strategy among several federal agencies to deceive people about what the military is doing here. 10 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Until recently, the government even denied the existence of a base at Area 51. 11 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Not only did the people not know, the people's representatives didn't know, and the chance for abuses were very great. 12 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:39,200 In the face of the government silence, Area 51 has become fertile ground for fantastical lore, legend and rumor. 13 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:54,200 The Easty cover-ups, the shrouded trucks, the secret flights of cargo planes, this was exactly what you would do if a UFO had crashed and you wanted to keep that secret. 14 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:59,200 First-hand accounts of the activities around and within the perimeter are scarce. 15 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Those few who have been inside are sworn to secrecy. 16 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:10,200 We flew all over the United States, but nobody knew we were there. We didn't tell anybody. 17 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:22,200 But in 1989, one man came forward with an amazing claim that he had worked inside Area 51, retro-engineering and alien spacecraft. 18 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:29,200 It had an absolute classic flying saucer in there. So like something out of a cartoon or a science fiction movie. 19 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:38,200 Are flying saucers being tested in the Nevada desert, or is the government's veil of secrecy hiding something else? 20 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:58,200 In Southern Nevada, there is a 575 square mile expanse of heavily guarded land and restricted airspace that pilots call Dreamland. 21 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:07,200 But most people refer to it as Area 51, the designation it received from the Atomic Energy Commission in 1958. 22 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:18,200 42-year-old German-born Jor Garnu maintains a website dedicated to exploring this mysterious region and makes regular scouting trips to its closely guarded perimeter. 23 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:27,200 This is the famous border of Area 51 right here. We see the warning signs on both sides of the road here. 24 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:38,200 Up on the hill behind me, there's a security vehicle with two security guards, with binoculars and probably all kinds of other equipment watching us right now. 25 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:47,200 Since the late 1950s, numerous unidentified flying objects have been spotted in the skies above Area 51. 26 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,200 The locals are used to hearing reports about such unexplained phenomena. 27 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:07,200 We saw a craft in the sky and we stopped our vehicle and watched it do maneuvers. It was doing zig-zags right, left, up. Oh, it was pretty crazy. 28 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Whatever is happening within Area 51, the government is committed to keeping it secret. 29 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:23,200 They're authorized to shoot you. If they did, there isn't a law enforcement agency in the world that could go retrieve your body if you were in Area 51. 30 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,200 You have no access to get in there. 31 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,200 The propulsion system is really amazing. 32 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:40,200 But in 1989, a 30-year-old resident of Las Vegas named Bob Lazar, claims to have pierced the veil of secrecy surrounding these flights. 33 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:48,200 If there were United States craft, we wouldn't be going back. We're trying to find out how they were built if we had built them. 34 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:56,200 His story leads thousands of people to believe that something otherworldly is happening in the Nevada desert. 35 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:05,200 When Bob Lazar emerged in public with his claims to have worked on reverse-engineered flying saucers, 36 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,200 it began to draw UFO fans from around the world. 37 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Oh, yeah. 38 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,200 It's floating. 39 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,200 Yeah, it does. It looks like it's floating, but it's changing shape. 40 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:23,200 And his legend became critical to the whole emerging folklore of Area 51. 41 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,200 To this day, Lazar stands by his story. 42 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,200 I am convinced this was an extraterrestrial craft. 43 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:43,200 I verified how the equipment in it worked and it was a technology that doesn't exist even today. 44 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Spring, 1989. Bob Lazar meets with George Knapp, a reporter for Las Vegas TV station KLAS. 45 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Lazar claims to have secrets he can no longer hold. 46 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,200 This was really taking a toll on me. I mean, I was exhausted. 47 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:15,200 He tells Knapp that he was hired by the federal government to work on an alien spacecraft at Area 51. 48 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,200 Great. 49 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Probably would have gone to about 60. 50 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:24,200 And he insists that the authorities will do anything to stop him from revealing what he knows. 51 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,200 There was a guy in the car with a gun. 52 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:32,200 He shot at me in the mouth and I just thought it was some government guy trying to wipe me out. 53 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Lazar tells the reporter he wants to protect himself from reprisals by going public with his amazing story. 54 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,200 Nevertheless, he appears in silhouette to conceal his identity. 55 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:58,200 The first interview was really just to state what had happened, what was going on, and in case I suddenly disappeared, all it would do was prove that what I was saying was true. 56 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,200 A very short amount of time and I guarantee you gentlemen that... 57 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Lazar's story begins in 1988 when, he says, his background in physics and electronics lands him a job interview with top government contractor Edgerton Girmashawzin and Greer over EG&G. 58 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:25,200 I was told there was an opening available for a new exotic field propulsion system that I would be working in a remote area. 59 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,200 It all sounded great to me. It's exactly what I wanted to get into. 60 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,200 In December 1988, he is hired. 61 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:44,200 On his first day of work, Lazar claims to have met a man named Dennis Mariani at the EG&G Special Projects Office at McCarren International Airport in Las Vegas. 62 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Dennis Mariani is kind of a military looking guy. It always looks you in the eye and very hard looking. I don't think the guy ever smiled. 63 00:07:52,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Mariani escorts Lazar aboard a private plane that flies them 100 miles north to an isolated military base in the Nevada desert, Area 51. 64 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:11,200 Immediately after landing, Mariani subjects Lazar to a rigorous security briefing and has him sign a secrecy agreement. 65 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:25,200 You basically signed away a lot of your rights. I believe it was called the 10-10 agreement. It was a $10,000 fine, 10-year prison sentence for divulging any of the information presented to you. 66 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:40,200 According to Lazar, he agrees to conditions he will later regret. He even gives up his right to a trial if he ever reveals anything about working at Area 51. 67 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:48,200 After Lazar signs the document, he and Mariani board a bus with blacked out windows. 68 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:58,200 The bus leaves Area 51 and drives, I'm guessing, 10-15 miles south on a dirt road. 69 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:11,200 It was kind of exciting because I thought, boy, if we're leaving Area 51 in a bus with windows that I can't look out of, this must be really secret and so I was fascinated. 70 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:24,200 The bus finally stops at an installation called S-4. Mariani explains that the site is a series of hidden hangars built into the landscape. 71 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,200 It's extremely well camouflaged. 72 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:40,200 Years later, Lazar will have a graphic artist create detailed renderings based on his own drawings of what he claims he saw at S-4. 73 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:53,200 There are hangars doors that are sand textured and standing back maybe three or four hundred feet, you really can't see them at all. It pretty much just looks like a continuation of the mountain. 74 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,200 Mariani leads Lazar inside the tightly guarded facility. 75 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:07,200 It was very much an oppressive military atmosphere. There was always somebody there on top of you, keeping an eye on you. 76 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:17,200 They were virtually robots. They had no emotions. Not to imply that they were robots, but they acted like robots. 77 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:25,200 Lazar says he is issued a security badge that authorizes his clearance through the, quote, U.S. Department of Naval Intelligence. 78 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,200 Mariani then leads him to a secure briefing room. On the desk is a stack of blue folders. 79 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,200 Lazar is allowed to review these files. Alone. 80 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:50,200 Looking through some of the information, it gave direct references to a flying saucer to an extraterrestrial vehicle. 81 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:58,200 I pretty much just counted that and just kept going on. And I thought, well, boy, this must be part of some security measure. 82 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:07,200 It could be a part of all some big psychological test of some sort. So I glanced through everything and digested what I could. 83 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:16,200 When Mariani takes him back to the hangar, Lazar claims he is confronted with an incredible sight. 84 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:24,200 We walked into a hangar which was extremely large and it had an absolute classic flying saucer in there. 85 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,200 So like something out of a cartoon or a science fiction movie. It was sitting on its belly on the ground. 86 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:38,200 And I went up and raised my hand to touch the metal on the craft and immediately got disciplined for that. 87 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:46,200 Lazar assumes that the vehicle is an experimental aircraft designed to resemble something from outer space. 88 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:54,200 You know, well, it's got a flying saucer shape. This explains why so many people see flying saucers because we're trying to make an aircraft that way. 89 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:02,200 So still nothing really hit my mind as far as being alien or anything along those lines. 90 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,200 But Lazar says he revises that assumption when his job duties are explained to him. 91 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:18,200 The basic aim of what we're doing here is to see if we can duplicate any of this material with substances found on Earth. 92 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,200 What do you mean with substances found on Earth? 93 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:29,200 And then it began to validate some of what I had read that this was in fact an alien craft. 94 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:37,200 As he examines the saucer, Lazar becomes convinced that it is in fact of extraterrestrial origin. 95 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:46,200 It was obviously made for something smaller. Ideally about half the height of a human would have no problem walking around in there. 96 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:57,200 Everything is a rounded, curved, radius to it. It looks like the entire thing was an injection mold, like made out of plastic or wax. 97 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:09,200 He says he is then told that the vehicle's propulsion system allows the pilot to traverse great distances instantaneously by manipulating time and space. 98 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:24,200 If you have a machine that can create gravity that makes force fields a reality, that makes time travel possible, all the stuff you read about in science fiction becomes possible if you can manipulate gravity. 99 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:34,200 Lazar is overwhelmed by the possibilities. Until now, he had considered the whole idea of flying saucers to be a fantasy. 100 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:46,200 It actually left me pretty much confused. And led to a lot of sleepless nights for a long time. Everything you didn't believe is true. 101 00:13:47,200 --> 00:14:02,200 December 1988. According to Bob Lazar, he is employed at a top secret military installation in the Nevada desert called Area 51. 102 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,200 The Las Vegas resident is here, he asserts, to study an alien spaceship. 103 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,200 Lazar claims there are at least nine such craft concealed within Area 51. 104 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:37,200 They were all on hangers and some were not completely assembled, but the sport model, the sleek one, the one that I was allowed in at that one time was the only one I ever had physical contact with. 105 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,200 Lazar's main responsibility is to determine what had powered the vehicle. 106 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:57,200 This was such an advanced machine that we were looking at. From the fuel to the way it was handled to the energy it puts out, it was completely alien in every way. 107 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:05,200 He nicknames one ship the sport model and claims it makes several low-altitude test flights in early 1989. 108 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:13,200 Lazar says his supervisor, Dennis Mariani, invites him to observe one of them. 109 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:25,200 The craft lifted off the ground silently with this light glow on the bottom, which I assumed was a corona discharge, kind of like a St. Elmo's fire from high voltage. 110 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,200 It made just a little hissing sound. 111 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Lifted off the ground and moved over to the left and to the right and sat down and to me that was absolutely impressive. 112 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:42,200 Throughout his time at Area 51, Lazar claims, his employers keep him working irregular hours. 113 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,200 I only went out when I was called out there. I could get a call at 9 o'clock at night. 114 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:55,200 Actually, I got a call once at 1130 at night and they stated we would like you down at McCarran Airport by 1215. 115 00:15:55,200 --> 00:16:00,200 How do you tell your wife, you know, you're in bed, you get a call? Okay, I got to go. 116 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Well, what is it? Oh, it's my job. I don't know if I'm going to be coming back until tomorrow. 117 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:16,200 By this point, Lazar says, he had worked at Area 51 for four months and felt he could no longer abide by his confidentiality agreement. 118 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:32,200 At sundown on Wednesday, March 22, 1989, Lazar, his wife and three friends drive to the edge of Area 51 to watch the test flight of a saucer. 119 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:43,200 The craft was typically only tested on a Wednesday night because it was the middle of the week, because there was very little travel on the adjacent highways to the test site. 120 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Around 8 p.m., the group notices a bright light rising behind a mountain pass in the distance. 121 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,200 It came towards us very fast and made abrupt 90-degree turns. 122 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Sure, okay. Yeah, we're fine. 123 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,200 The higher energy level of the craft is at the more it glows. 124 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,200 Oh my God. 125 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,200 Lazar's friends are awestruck by the object's erratic maneuvers. 126 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:17,200 Nothing can make a 90-degree turn moving at hundreds of miles an hour, and that's what left an impression on everyone's mind. 127 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:25,200 According to Lazar, the alien ship hovers for a few more moments before it disappears behind the mountains. 128 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,200 The following Wednesday night, Lazar and his group return to the same spot in the desert. 129 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:44,200 Since we got away with it the first time, we wanted to go back and now actually get pictures of the craft, but, you know, it's like filming a star at night. 130 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,200 It's just a blob of light moving around. 131 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,200 One week later, they make a third nighttime foray to Area 51. 132 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,200 Oh, three people? 133 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,200 This time, however, they've pushed their luck too far. 134 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:13,200 The security guys had found us and it's pitch black out there, and they turned the lights on and there's just an army of people out there. 135 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,200 It was quite incredible. 136 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,200 The armed guards check their IDs and take their names before releasing them. 137 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:33,200 As they leave, Lazar and his friends are pulled over by a Lincoln County Sheriff's deputy, who holds them for questioning. 138 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:44,200 The next day, Lazar asserts, Dennis Mariani and Area 51 security agents threaten him. 139 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:54,200 One of the first things they said was, you know, when we trusted you with this information, we didn't mean, you know, intend for you to tell everyone you know about it. 140 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:04,200 They guard Elzen M16 directly in my face and, you know, wanted to impress upon me how serious they were about it. 141 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,200 According to Lazar, he is released and his employment at Area 51 ends. 142 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:14,200 From then on, he says, he becomes the victim of a relentless campaign of intimidation. 143 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:25,200 I was driving down Charleston Boulevard in Las Vegas and as I came to the freeway on ramp, there was a car that kept trying to get alongside of me. 144 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:33,200 I heard a gunshot and it caught my attention and there was a guy in the car with a gun. 145 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,200 I went straight, went off the end and stopped in the dirt. 146 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:46,200 I was really just paralyzed in the car. I was holding the steering wheel and I thought he was coming up alongside of me and there was just nothing I can do. 147 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:55,200 It is at this point that Lazar decides to take his story to the public in an interview with KLAS TV reporter George Knapp. 148 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:02,200 In May of 1989, he appears in silhouette on the 5 o'clock local news. 149 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:09,200 I did go on the air and basically say some of the stuff that I had seen. 150 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,200 Right after the interview, I get a call from Dennis Mariani at home and he said, 151 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,200 you have any idea what we're going to do to you now? 152 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,200 And I said, no, what? And he hung up the phone. 153 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:28,200 Six months later, Lazar agrees to another interview with KLAS TV. 154 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,200 This time, he reveals his identity on the air. 155 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:41,200 Afterwards, he appears on numerous other television and radio shows and even creates a video about his experiences. 156 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,200 I had at least partial views of the 9 different discs out of S4. 157 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,200 I went into much greater detail. 158 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,200 Years ago, I thought I'd never hear myself say this, but that vehicle explained what was going on, 159 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,200 who I worked with, where the things were. 160 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,200 You know, just pretty much got it all on the record. 161 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,200 They led me to believe it was a field. 162 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,200 The TV reports that he did brought a lot of attention to the area and to him. 163 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,200 In secret that we were working. 164 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:15,200 They were picked up nationally by other media and they helped establish the whole mythology of Area 51 in the national consciousness. 165 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,200 Soon, people from across the country flock to the Nevada desert, 166 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,200 hoping to glimpse the mysterious lights of an alien spacecraft. 167 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:35,200 I watched a craft with my niece one night for 20 minutes do really, really strange maneuvers. 168 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,200 I know there's strange activity that goes on out here. 169 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,200 It was actually the second time when I saw the craft, when I got to enter it. 170 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:53,200 In November 1989, Bob Lazar makes an astonishing claim on a Las Vegas television news program. 171 00:21:53,200 --> 00:22:00,200 He says that he worked on alien spacecraft at a super secret military base called Area 51. 172 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:08,200 Lazar is not the first to describe extraordinary events at a facility the government denies even exists. 173 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,200 Rumors about UFO sightings in the Nevada desert had been heard for decades. 174 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:19,200 But Lazar is the first to maintain that he had actually worked on alien technology. 175 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,200 He seems to have little reason to lie. 176 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,200 I don't know anything about aliens or reductions or crop circles or any of that, 177 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,200 but I do know this craft came from somewhere else. 178 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:40,200 Lazar looked like he could have been what he said, which was a sort of nerdy engineer who worked for government high-tech research programs. 179 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,200 The materials that were in use completely alien to us. 180 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,200 And he seems to be radiating the sense of conviction. 181 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Almost all UFO stories can usually tell in about five seconds that the person is nuts. 182 00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:01,200 What was interesting in Lazar, really it was a compellingly well-told story. 183 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,200 In the world of UFO fans, Lazar becomes an overnight sensation. 184 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:15,200 Bob's coming out, so to speak, just let a fire under every UFO nut and enthusiasts in the world. 185 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,200 There were bust loads of people coming in there. 186 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:25,200 At the edge of Area 51, the town of Rachel Nevada becomes the jumping-off spot for the curious. 187 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:32,200 Rachel is obscure a little community in the middle of absolute nowhere. 188 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:40,200 Rita became the center of the universe for people interested in Area 51 and in UFOs. 189 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Everybody in the country and the world right now knows about what's going on out here. 190 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:50,200 UFO buffs are not the only ones who make pilgrimages to watch the desert skies. 191 00:23:51,200 --> 00:24:00,200 Aviation enthusiasts, including a group of amateur planespotters called the Interceptors, are also intrigued by Lazar's story. 192 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:09,200 Jim Goodall is a senior member of the Interceptors and, since 1987, a regular sky-watcher at Area 51. 193 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,200 My obsession has been classified aircraft programs. 194 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,200 It's that first glimpse of something you've never seen or the public has never seen. 195 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,200 That's what's exciting about going out here in the desert. 196 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,200 And you want to be the first person to get a high-quality image. 197 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,200 While some attribute the mysterious lights in the sky to extraterrestrial visitors, 198 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:46,200 the Interceptors maintain that Area 51 is really a top-secret testing facility for U.S. military aircraft. 199 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,200 They point to hard facts and photographic evidence to make their case. 200 00:24:52,200 --> 00:25:01,200 This particular disc appeared to be in excellent condition and even so, some of them, including Goodall, find Bob Lazar's story credible. 201 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,200 I'm a technology person. I'm a hardware person. I'm not a UFO nut. 202 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:12,200 I believe Bob Lazar because Bob Lazar told a believable story and has never altered it. 203 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:19,200 Goodall is persuaded, in part, by what appears to be solid evidence that Lazar did work for the military, 204 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,200 a yearly earning statement from 1988 to 1989. 205 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:30,200 According to Lazar, his W-2 tax form was issued by the, quote, Department of Naval Intelligence. 206 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,200 There is, however, no such known Department of Government. 207 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:42,200 In 1990, during Operation Desert Shield, Goodall is on active duty in Washington, D.C., with the Minnesota Air National Guard. 208 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:49,200 He decides to check on the validity of Lazar's W-2 form and goes to the Navy's investigative office in the Pentagon. 209 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:55,200 I went in to the Department of Naval Investigation in the Pentagon and I said, 210 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,200 I'd like a verification of where this location is. It's a classified zip code. 211 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,200 And the Navy officer said, just a minute, and made a phone call. 212 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,200 He said, you know, Admiral would like to see you. 213 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,200 Close the door, Sergeant. 214 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,200 So I go into this admiral's office and he said, Sergeant, if you ever come in this office again with something like this, 215 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,200 I'll have you court-martialed. Now get out of my office and get out of there now. 216 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:28,200 If his W-2 was phoning, why did this admiral have a hissy fit over it? 217 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,200 Lazar's supporters claim that the so-called Department of Naval Intelligence, 218 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:37,200 in keeping with the secrecy of Area 51, is a covert organization. 219 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:43,200 As such, its existence has been kept from the general public and even the U.S. Congress. 220 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:52,200 But despite the support of people like Jim Goodall, critics believe that Bob Lazar is perpetrating a hoax. 221 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,200 In particular, they cite the absence of any evidence to corroborate his story. 222 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,200 He talks about what kind of UFOs he saw inside and so forth. 223 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,200 You know, how can you react to that? 224 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:11,200 I just try to think about, for what he tells us that we can verify, I just haven't found anything. 225 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,200 Skeptics scrutinize other claims made by Lazar. 226 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:23,200 He worked there for less than 40 hours and this is according to his own statements. 227 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:29,200 In this one work week, he found a fuel that prepares these aircraft or these flying saucers. 228 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,200 Now that's a pretty amazing discovery for your first work week. 229 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,200 Stanton Friedman, a physicist educated at the University of Chicago, 230 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,200 checks into Lazar's educational background. 231 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,200 He supposedly had a master's in physics from MIT. 232 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,200 He had another one in electronics from Caltech. 233 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Okay, I check MIT, they never heard of him. 234 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,200 I checked Caltech, they never heard of him. 235 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,200 I checked his high school. 236 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,200 Turned out, he graduated in the bottom third of his high school class. 237 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:11,200 Moreover, government contractor EG&G, with whom Lazar claims to have interviewed for the Area 51 job, 238 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,200 says it has no record of Bob Lazar at all. 239 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:22,200 So, right away you have a problem with a guy who has a background that doesn't match up to what he claims 240 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,200 and can't demonstrate that he worked where he says he worked. 241 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,200 So, while you may not reject his claims out of hand, you've got to look at them with more suspicion. 242 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,200 He's a clever guy, he sounds very good, he comes across very well. 243 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,200 People want to believe him. 244 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,200 He's a con man. 245 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:52,200 While some dismiss Bob Lazar as a fraud, others believe there is a more sinister motive to his behavior, 246 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:59,200 that he is an agent of the government, tasked with perpetuating disinformation about Area 51. 247 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,200 One had to question whether Lazar was sure who he was. 248 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,200 Perhaps he was serving as a disinformation agent unwillingly. 249 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:16,200 There were those who believed that he had been in some way brainwashed or even drugged. 250 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:22,200 But for Lazar's supporters, the US government's silence speaks volumes. 251 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,200 If he hadn't been involved with these people, they could say, hey, he's a phony. 252 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:35,200 That ended Bob Lazar's career as a spokesperson for UFOs and reverse engineering and propulsion systems. 253 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,200 No one ever did that. 254 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:45,200 Some conspiracy buffs believe that the US government actually encouraged Lazar's story and the myth of UFO sightings. 255 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:53,200 It's an attempt, they say, to distract the public from what was really happening inside Area 51. 256 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:59,200 There seemed to be a good strength of the theory that they were generating a lot of noise to disguise the real signal, 257 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:08,200 which was experiments with advanced aircraft and that Lazar was the most intense piece of noise they were delivering. 258 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,200 Generally referred to as a flying saucer. 259 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:22,200 In the early 1990s, after Bob Lazar goes public with his sensational claim that there are alien spacecraft inside Area 51, 260 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,200 the isolated high-security base becomes a magnet for tourists. 261 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:37,200 There were bus tours going out there, so that pretty much did it, that put it on the map. 262 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,200 Security is intensified to keep the curious out. 263 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:47,200 But some say that the government actually uses Lazar's story to its advantage. 264 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:53,200 In that case, if somebody actually saw a test flight and saw something they weren't supposed to see and they talk about it, 265 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,200 they're just dealt with by the public as another UFO, not to a senior UFO flying. 266 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Even though eyewitness reports and photographs of Area 51 are widely circulated on the Internet, 267 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:12,200 government officials continue to deny that the base even exists. 268 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:18,200 You like going out and having a good year blimp on the parking lot and someone tell you, there's no blimp out there. 269 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:26,200 You know, darn well there's one. Until someone official says, yes, this is Area 51, it doesn't exist. 270 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,200 And that's our government. 271 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:40,200 In 1995, the installation's borders are greatly expanded, effectively prohibiting outsiders from even seeing the base. 272 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:51,200 Any sign that says that we will shoot you if you trespass into here, well, why is that? What's the reason for it? 273 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:59,200 I'm an American taxpayer. That's my stuff they're flying out there. I help pay for it. It's we the people, it's not us the government. 274 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:07,200 That's been my philosophy from the very beginning. If you're flying over public land, I have every right to photograph and see it. 275 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:14,200 You can't blame the government for wanting to conceal what's going on there, but you can't blame the public for wondering what's going on there. 276 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:22,200 There are some who say they know exactly what's been happening at Area 51. Men who work there and can prove it. 277 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:29,200 They saw much that the government didn't want the public to know about, but none of it, they say, was from outer space. 278 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:43,200 Supposedly, you know, extraterrestrial, something's happened over there. I know nothing about that. I just read about it. 279 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,200 It certainly didn't have any of that there when I was there. I was all over that base. 280 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,200 Frank Murray flew the top secret A-12 spy plane at Area 51. 281 00:32:53,200 --> 00:33:00,200 He says the base played a vital role in U.S. military research and development during the Cold War. 282 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:10,200 The base really got started in about 54 when Lockheed needed a place to test and develop the U-2 airplane, the first spy plane. 283 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:17,200 In the early 1960s, the A-12 was developed to replace the U-2. 284 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:27,200 The CIA commissioned this supersonic reconnaissance jet, capable of reaching speeds in excess of Mach 3 and cruising at altitudes over 90,000 feet. 285 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,200 Frank Murray and others tested the A-12 at Area 51. 286 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:41,200 We flew all over the United States with the airplane. Nobody knew we were there. We didn't tell anybody. There was no need to. 287 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:52,200 Murray and former radar operator T.D. Barnes can talk about their experiences now, because the top secret projects were declassified in the 1990s. 288 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:58,200 Barnes does acknowledge that he had limited access to the base. 289 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,200 There was something going on that we did not have a need to know. 290 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:12,200 They'd hurt everybody on the base into the mess hall and pulled the blackout curtains. They'd have guards on them and would stay in there for two, three hours. 291 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Whatever the time period was required for whatever they were doing outdoors to wrap up. 292 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:29,200 For the men assigned to Area 51, the intense secrecy permeated every aspect of their professional lives and even extended to their own families. 293 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:35,200 Tell them nothing. Tell them just on a classified project that can't talk about it. 294 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,200 And they never did know until the whole thing was over. 295 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:47,200 Both Murray and Barnes say they saw no alien spacecraft during their time at Area 51. 296 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:56,200 But they did observe their colleagues serving their country in a program so secret most Americans never knew of their heroism. 297 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:02,200 We lost a lot of pilots and I do not recall ever hearing a test pilot panic. 298 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,200 As they hit the ground they were still giving us scientific data. They're so trained. 299 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:19,200 After Barnes and Murray left, other servicemen tested newer technology like the F-117 stealth bomber in the late 1970s. 300 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:25,200 Some say this plane could have been the real source of many UFO sightings at Area 51. 301 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,200 First time you see an F-117 head on, it looks like a flying saucer. 302 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:42,200 If F-117 flight tests sparked rumors of alien spacecraft over the Nevada desert, that may have been just fine with military authorities. 303 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:48,200 Why give it away by saying, oh, there's another military test going on in the high altitude aircraft? 304 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,200 Much better to dismiss it all as just being so much UFO nonsense. 305 00:35:53,200 --> 00:36:04,200 What military scientists have been developing at Area 51 in the years since the F-117 is anyone's guess. 306 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:12,200 In the tense post-911 era, Area 51 is as impenetrable as ever. 307 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,200 But it is evident that the base is still very active. 308 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Gotta be. The runway is now 25,000 feet long and it's two or three times bigger than when I was there. 309 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:39,200 For all I know, they're building systems to prevent an invasion of alien beings. You don't know. The technology doesn't sit still. So what are they up to? 310 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:48,200 Jim Goodall says he once posed that very question to Ben Rich, a now deceased former vice president of the Lockheed Corporation. 311 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:59,200 He said, Jim, we have things out in the desert that are 50 years beyond what you can comprehend. 312 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:07,200 If you've seen it on Star Trek, or Star Wars, or whatever science fiction movie you've seen, we've been there and done that. 313 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,200 I said, can you expand upon that? He said, nope. 314 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:25,200 Despite efforts to keep a tight lid on the activities at Area 51, officials are forced to publicly acknowledge the existence of the base for the first time when a lawsuit is filed in 1994 against the government. 315 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:39,200 Allegations that hazardous chemicals had been improperly burned at the site leads critics to charge that the veil of secrecy is endangering the public safety. 316 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:51,200 The whole existence of a toxic waste stump in Area 51 is a perfect metaphor for the toxicity of excessive secrecy and the dangers of secrecy. 317 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:58,200 Secrecy, like any powerful chemical, is very useful stuff and it's also very dangerous stuff. 318 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:11,200 Until 1994, the US government refused to acknowledge the existence of its super secret base known as Area 51. 319 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:23,200 But in August of that year, a lawsuit brought by former employees of the secret air base forces the Department of Defense to change this policy. 320 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:37,200 The suit claims that workers had been ordered to burn toxic byproducts of the stealth fighter program in open pits at the base, causing them serious illnesses and in some cases death. 321 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:44,200 When they went to court, the government used every measure at its disposal to shut down the whole story. 322 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:58,200 Government attorneys argue that publicly revealing any information about the case would threaten national security, but critics believe the security measures had gone too far. 323 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:08,200 Here's a situation that has nothing directly to do, you'd say, with secrecy, with black project aircraft and so forth. 324 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:16,200 Not only has the government not taken responsibility, they basically just quashed the case and will not release any information about what's going on there. 325 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:32,200 Within a year, the government effectively stalls the suit, but the case does pressure the Pentagon to state that it in fact has an operating facility near Groom Lake, finally acknowledging the existence of Area 51. 326 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:44,200 It just forced their hand. There was a point at which they, yes, we acknowledge that there is a facility here, they wouldn't say any more than that, but at least that was a change from not even acknowledging it was there. 327 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:57,200 Those pressing to learn the truth about Area 51 begin to ask more questions. Among them, how did the government manage to pay for a non-existent base for nearly four decades? 328 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,200 The answer? The so-called black budget. 329 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:12,200 The black budget is what's used to fund things like Area 51 or Dreamland, because you don't want to reveal the specific details of what is being done. 330 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:23,200 If you spent a billion or a couple billion dollars on a program and it failed, if it was a white program, you'd have people jumping all over you. 331 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200 If it's a black program, no one knows. 332 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:49,200 People saw Area 51 as a symbol of the abuses of some of our military decision-making, and there was a lot of concern that, again, secrecy had become excessive, that not only did the people not know, the people's representatives didn't know, and the chance for abuses were very great. 333 00:40:54,200 --> 00:41:02,200 Activists like Yer Garnu regard themselves as public watchdogs, determined to limit the potential for such abuse. 334 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:11,200 What we're trying to accomplish is keeping the powers somewhat honest in not abusing this secrecy. 335 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:18,200 Garnu claims that his quest to keep the government honest has led to a series of confrontations. 336 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:29,200 In February of 2003, Garnu reported on his website that the government was using illegal tracking sensors on public land around the military base. 337 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,200 Four months later, Garnu claims he received a threatening phone call from the FBI. 338 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:42,200 But, he says, he refuses to give up monitoring the activities at Area 51. 339 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:52,200 Bob Lazar stands by his tantalizing story, that the government is hiding alien spacecraft at Area 51. 340 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,200 We can't prove things one way or the other. 341 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,200 He can't prove what he says he saw. I can't prove he didn't see it. 342 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:12,200 Lazar asserts that the government has gone to great lengths to quash his story and discredit him, including erasing his name from all of his past employment and academic records. 343 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:18,200 There was a concerted effort to eliminate me, and I was able to do it. 344 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,200 I don't know who pulls the strings, I don't know who even wrote my paycheck. 345 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,200 Lazar insists that he is still working to provide the government with the best possible results. 346 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,200 The government is not going to give up on his work. 347 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,200 The government is going to give up on his work. 348 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200 The government is going to give up on his work. 349 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,200 I don't know who will give up on his paycheck. 350 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,200 Lazar insists that he is still working to provide proof of his claims. 351 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,200 It is something I'm going to pursue. 352 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,200 I have people that can verify everything. 353 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,200 No offence or buts, and I can't wait to prove it all. 354 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,200 To date, Lazar has yet to produce such verification. 355 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:19,200 The history channel submitted a request to the Air Force for an interview regarding Area 51, but the request was denied. 356 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,200 The Air Force maintains that all operations there are classified. 357 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:39,200 Every year since the 1994 lawsuit, the President of the United States has renewed Area 51's top secret status, making it inevitable that the criticism and speculation will continue. 358 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:51,200 Certainly there are things there that have to be kept secret, but the idea of a total blackout of a certain place frightens a lot of citizens. 359 00:43:52,200 --> 00:44:05,200 For many, the questions remain. Does Area 51 represent the cutting edge of aviation engineering, or is the source of its most innovative technology otherworldly? 360 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:15,200 Though as the years go on, we'll find out what some of these are, and it's what makes the place of increasing in constant interest. You never know what might come out of there. 361 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,200 You know, it's the age-old question. We all want to know where we came from and what we're doing here. 362 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:33,200 You know, some people view this almost as a religion, that if there is another life form out there running around, it's probably been out here longer than we are. 363 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:39,200 Maybe Area 51 has answers to some of those questions. 364 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:54,200 The preceding program presented theories about an historical event that is shrouded in mystery. It contained archival footage, reenactments and dramatizations, which invite you, the viewer, to draw your own conclusions. 365 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,200 On the next episode of The Revolution. 366 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:09,200 When Franklin gets to France, his job is essentially to make it appear to the French that the American cause is a viable one, and that the Americans can win this contest. Those are all of them at that point, fictions.